This is “The RAD Position” with ASRT CEO and Executive Director Melissa Pergola, a
podcast for medical imaging and radiation therapy professionals.
Melissa Pergola: Hi there and welcome back to “The RAD Position” podcast. I'm your host, Melissa Pergola.
Ray Arambula: And I'm her podcast partner, Ray Arambula.
Melissa Pergola: Welcome back, Ray.
Ray Arambula: Thanks for having me back, Melissa.
Melissa Pergola: So, we are thrilled today. We have Samantha Skubish with us —
Ray Arambula: Yes.
Melissa Pergola: — and she is an amazing leader in our profession. Welcome, Samantha.
Samantha Skubish: Thank you guys. Thank you for having me. This is so rad.
Melissa Pergola: I love that. I love that. So, Sam holds a bachelor of science degree in radiologic
science from Southern Illinois University and a master's of science degree in health policy and management from The
New School in New York, New York. Sam is the chief technical director in the department of radiation oncology at
Mount Sinai Health System, like I said, in New York, New York, and also clinical assistant professor in the School
of Health Professions at Stony Brook University.
She serves as many things. She serves as vice chair of the ASRT Practice Standards Council, serves on the ASRT's
Consensus Committee on the Future of Medical Imaging and Radiation Therapy, and is chair and co-founder of the
Radiation Therapy Association of New York State. Sam is an ARRT Gold Standard Award recipient for her work on
professional advancement, equitable care and patient safety.
She leads the national advanced practice radiation therapy, or APRT, working group and participates in the advanced
practice radiation therapy international community of practice. And is that…do you say that, iCoP?
Samantha Skubish: Correct.
Melissa Pergola: iCoP. OK. Cause that's a mouthful too. So if we talk about that, we'll say iCoP.
Her department received the 2023 ACCC [Association of Cancer Care Centers] Innovator Award for their APRT model of
care. That is incredibly impressive. Sam is passionate about advancing the field and the scope of practice for
radiation therapists. I told you, Ray, it's a lot.
Ray Arambula: That is a lot. This is going to be a good episode.
Melissa Pergola: It is. Sam, I just talked about all of the amazing things that you're doing,
particularly in the realm of advanced practice for radiation therapists.
So, my first question is, can you share some insights into how this role has evolved within the field of radiation
oncology? And then the second part is, why is it crucial for the future of patient care?
Samantha Skubish: Absolutely. Well, thank you guys again for having me on. This is such a treat to
be here. I'm so honored to be a guest.
As radiation therapists, you know, think about our role. We see our patients more frequently than any other clinician
within the multidisciplinary radiation oncology team throughout their course of treatment. We see our patients every
single day, you know, really deeply understanding and getting to know their needs and then applying our clinical and
technical skills to meet those needs.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: Beyond that, we know what movie they've watched over the weekend, what their
grandchildren's names are, and really developing those important relationships and dynamics between clinician,
radiation therapist and their patients. And so, it's incredibly important to the care that we provide within
radiation oncology to our patients is often at the worst time of their lives, if you know, if not one of the worst
times in their lives.
And so, as radiation therapists, we are well positioned, if not the most well positioned, to affect the quality of
care that is provided to our patients.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: And then from a professional standpoint, when you look at the evolution of
practice for radiation therapists, you know, that evolution is truly inevitable.
And I think it's been growing, our scope has been growing at a very fast and rapid rate over the last, you know, 10
to 20 years —
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: — with advancing technologies and then the new special procedures that come with
those advancing technologies, driven by the complexity of our patients. And additionally, our patients are living
longer with their disease.
Thank goodness, you know, the more information we have about our patients, you know, the more robust than ever our
approach to treatment and care just becomes more complex. And so, with this complexity, we really see a shift that
requires us to reevaluate our care models, right? And reevaluate, you know, what does task distribution, role
implementation, role delineation mean in sort of a new, modern model of care in order to provide and continue to
provide the best possible care. And, really, the ultimate goal being allowing the multidisciplinary team to function
at the top of their license, and that includes our physicians, our physicists, and of course, our radiation
therapists.
And so, you know, because our role is so integral to the multidisciplinary care model. And now we're sort of in this
really, you know, pivotal moment in our profession of really needing to meet that demands. You know, the APRT is
really just emerged as a new model. And so, we see, you know, the APRT is a radiation therapist with additional
training, education and competency that provides a higher level of care to meet some of those demands —
Melissa Pergola: Yes.
Samantha Skubish: — within an established advanced practice framework.
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Melissa Pergola: When I think about a radiation therapist, what I heard you say is compassion and
complexity, and I'll tell you a little story I don't think I've ever told. When I was in x-ray school, we spent a
little bit of time, I think it was two or three weeks, in each rotation. So, for each of the disciplines. And you're
not going to be surprised, Ray. So, for me, every single one I went to I'm like, Oh, I want to be that. I want to be
that. That's what I want to be.
Ray Arambula: Overachiever.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah, I want to be an MR technologist. I want to be a CT technologist. But when I
went to the therapy department, it’s a different relationship with the patient. The compassion part — I have so much
respect. And I, like my team, like I'll tear up in a heartbeat, but I just have so much respect for the technical
ability, the complexity, but the compassion and ability to take care of them. It's just, it's awe-inspiring.
Ray Arambula: Wow.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Ray Arambula: So, Sam, we, you talked about some of the enhancements and we touched on how that
impacts the patient, but what about, how does APRT benefit RTTs [registered radiation therapists] and impact
clinical operations and maybe in terms of staffing retention and attracting talent to the profession?
Samantha Skubish: Yeah, that's such an important question and I think, you know, especially now
requires a lot of thought because we do have, as you guys know better than anybody, you know, a real staffing crisis
in this country and staffing challenges in health care overall, but in our profession, you know, vacancy rates going
up at a rate that we've never seen before.
And so, you know, I think overarchingly — and that's really a lot of the work of the Consensus Committee, right —
Ray Arambula and Melissa Pergola: Mmm-huh.
Samantha Skubish: — is that establishing new clinical career advancement opportunities that aren't,
you know, plateaued to the level of which you can only move into management or —
Melissa Pergola: Right.
Samantha Skubish: — clinical opportunities really offers our therapists a new pathway to grow in
order to continue to provide patient care, but at a higher level. And as a director and person in management, I see
that as a great strategy and tool to attract and retain highly skilled individuals within our profession and within
our institutions at such an incredibly important time. And especially when you think about — in radiation therapy
specifically — thinking about our ever-growing cancer patient population and the demand that that will continue to
bring to our institutions, you know, for the foreseeable future, that's such an important aspect of being able to
continue to provide quality care. And again, you know, I think that's the same conclusion that the Consensus
Committee came to as well. And so, you know, it's exciting, I think, to think about how we can continue to grow the
role of the therapist. And one thing important to note is that, you know, this isn't new.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: The APRT model of care is, on an international scale, you know, not new to
practice. And so, when we think about these roles, we have models to look at and say, you know, there's a UK model
that's been around for a very long time.
Ray Arambula: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: There's a ton of, you know, evidence-based practice in Canada —
Melissa Pergola: Mmm-huh.
Samantha Skubish: — that shows by elevating the skill set of a therapist, you know, we can make a
difference. And I think for leaders like me, you know, it's a great opportunity to think about how we can change the
model of care while attracting and retaining, you know, those highly skilled individuals.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah, it's so true. You know, there are only so many positions that people can be
promoted to, right?
And sometimes people think that's the only path. It's, Now I'm going to be a first level supervisor and then a
manager and a director. And there are so many other pathways, and for us to have this clinical pathway, like you
say, Sam, to retain our therapists, it's critical and it's so important.
Samantha Skubish: Yeah, and I think just looking at the RA [radiologist assistant] as well, you
know, has been a real inspiration and we've learned so much from, you know, how that tier of the profession was
established and it's just been great to collaborate, you know, with RA professionals and really kind of think about
how we can grow together too.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: And especially a lot of that is happening through the Consensus Committee and
other, you know, modalities: ultrasound and nuclear medicine.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: And so, you know, we're also not alone in the U.S. I think within, you know,
within our profession at large, there's, you know, a lot of gaps in demand —
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: — that are overarching that we can really, you know, hone in on. So.
Ray Arambula: And you talked about how this leads to a higher level of patient care, but I imagine
there's higher levels of fulfillment in the work that they do as well.
Samantha Skubish: Yeah, and, you know, the, just kind of leaning back on some of the international
models that we see. The U.K. has a four-pillar model of advanced clinical practice, and we've really used that a lot
through the APRT working group but also to establish our role at Mount Sinai. We were the first in the U.S. to have
an APRT and an APRT model of care. And so, you know, those four pillars are really important to think about how you
build the profession, but also build the roles and, you know, some of the things that our APRT is involved in is, of
course, you know, higher level clinical management and assessment —
Melissa Pergola: Mmm-huh.
Samantha Skubish: — but it's also research and knowledge dissemination.
Melissa Pergola: Yes.
Samantha Skubish: And then the other two pillars are education. So, of course, you know, the
educational framework and infrastructure of having a higher level education, but also you know, educating others at
a higher level and then leadership and management, you know, really being that go-to person in your department and
sort of, you know, having the skills and knowledge and judgment of running your own projects and, you know, really
kind of elevating across the board.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: I think it brings a new level of engagement and fulfillment, to your point, you
know, when you sort of look at it through that four-pillar model and see how the roles can be developed.
Melissa Pergola: So, Sam, what are some of the drivers and maybe even challenges that require novel
solutions like the APRT in modern radiation oncology practices today?
Samantha Skubish: Yeah. Well, I mentioned, you know, just the technology —
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: — and the rapid rate of technology being introduced into our profession. Radiation
oncology cancer care in general has just been so incredible. You know, I think proton therapy or adaptive
radiotherapy. You know, these are novel approaches to care that are very, very complex and high tech.
And then of course our patient populations as well, which I mentioned is —
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: — you know, a growing patient population. We're treating them longer for their
disease over shorter courses. And just the care is becoming more complex. We're learning so much more about their
disease and how to really tailor a personalized approach. Beyond those, you know, I think there's changing
reimbursement models, of course, and we've seen a shift to value-based care —
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: — but this is amid rising costs. You know, a lot of overburden with
administrative, you know, tasks, inefficient workflows. Our physicians are experiencing higher levels of burnout. So
are we —
Melissa Pergola: Yes.
Samantha Skubish: — because of these increasing workloads. And so, amidst all of those things, we're
really challenged with remaining competitive, creating a culture of wellness, reducing waste, attracting talented
staff. So obviously, you know, no silver bullet here to all of these challenges, but the APRT does offer an
innovative solution toward building up to meet that, you know, to build that new model of care that, you know, we
are all sort of tasked with understanding and being able to stay afloat amidst all of these things. So, when I
talked to other leaders in other departments or, you know, when we got the ACCC award, which is just an amazing
honor. You know, this is an innovation. This is an innovative way of looking at how we can continue to improve for
our patients. So, I think it's really, you know, those drivers and challenges will continue to exist and evolve.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: And we're tasked with continuing to innovate, and this is one of those ways that
we can.
Ray Arambula: And we've talked a little bit about the patient outcomes and how that advanced
practice roles might improve that, but what has been some of the workflows, what changes have happened around that
and how may they might've been streamlined in your department?
Samantha Skubish: Yeah. So we really have just a series of conditions at Mount Sinai where the stars
aligned for us. And we just have an amazing team that has been able to successfully prove, you know, the first APRT
model in the U S. And I just want to take a second to acknowledge all of those people who've really just been a
dream team for me to work with and alongside. First Clodagh Starrs, of course, is our APRT who's doing this great
work on the ground every single day, caring for our patients and just really making a difference, and then we have
our research team, Danielle McDonagh and Maria Dimopoulos, who have really led forth the effort to be able to
evaluate the effectiveness, and you know, just do incredible work as far as the research is concerned.
Plus, we've had incredible backing of leadership within our department. Vice President Kim Smith, of course, you
know, was able to get the role approved and, you know, really speak to our leadership. “Hey, we can do this. We can
be the first, you know, to make this happen and it's going to be great.”
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Ray Arambula: That's awesome.
Samantha Skubish: And then, of course, our chairman, Ken Rosenzweig, our radiation oncologist,
who's, you know, just really been supportive, along with our other physician leaders, Sheryl Green, Kavita
Dharmarajan and Karyn Goodman.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Samantha Skubish: At Mount Sinai, we've been working on three grant-funded initiatives under the
APRT umbrella.
First, through the ASRT Foundation, thank you very much, we've been studying to see if by implementing an APRT model
for our inpatient, palliative radiation therapy patients, could we reduce the number of inpatients that were
scheduled and never simulated or simulated and never treated. And so this is getting down to sort of the
nitty-gritty within our department, right?
We have a lot of patients who are on and off of our schedule, especially in patients where their plan of care can
change very rapidly based on their condition or based on their workup or based on, you know, new information. And
so, in our department, that can lead to a lot of waste and inefficiency. Even more so cumbersome and burdensome is
if we simulate a patient for treatment, start planning, and then they actually never start treatment. You know,
that's very costly.
Melissa Pergola: Yep.
Samantha Skubish: That's very inefficient, but because of varying conditions and variables, you
know, it could happen often. And so, when we first looked at those numbers in our department, there was about 20% of
our inpatient population —
Melissa Pergola: Wow.
Samantha Skubish: — fell into either of those categories. And I don't think we're an anomaly. I
think that's fairly consistent at large academic medical centers like ours that treat a large inpatient palliative
population. Since we've introduced the APRT and our model of care, that's down to about 4 and 5% for both.
Melissa Pergola: It's amazing.
Samantha Skubish: Additionally, we also have an internal wellness grant through our Office of
Wellbeing and Resilience, and those results aren't published yet, but can we reduce, you know, can we reduce this
stress on our physicians by the introduction of an APRT?
And like, preliminary reserts and spoiler alert, we can effectively.
Melissa Pergola: Nice.
Samantha Skubish: And so, you know, that was an internal grant where we'll be, you know, talking
about in 2025 and publishing those results because we're just wrapping up that study now. But, you know, our
physicians like this addition to the care team and, you know, it's been great to see, you know, something as, you
know introducing a new step in the process where Clodagh goes to the inpatient floor and assesses our patients
before they come to our department to make sure that they can get through simulation, you know, without any
challenges or with the minimal challenges as possible the physicians really appreciate that and like that. And, you
know, she can be the first to respond to a lot of questions or communication and really help coordinate the care as
well. In compliment to the work that they're already doing.
The third grant is an international collaborative grant again from the ASRT Foundation, thank you very much, where
we're looking, we're working with our Canadian colleagues at University of Toronto on identifying the appropriate
framework for APRT preparation in the U.S. and Canada. So, this is really honing in on the educational framework and
modeling. You know, what is, what makes sense for the working radiation therapist professional to be able to become
proficient and educated and competent enough to be considered advanced practice.
And so, you know, I think outside of that, there are a lot of really great teams doing really great work in their own
domains across the country, including MD Anderson and Wash U and St. Louis and, you know, there's a APRT at Wash U,
Robbie, who's saving his physicians a ton of time doing contouring on their adaptive program.
And, you know, MD Anderson's right there with them in getting an educational model going. So it's just been fantastic
to not only see, I think, the need and the proven model within our institution, but to be able to work with all of
these other you know, international colleagues and, you know, institutions across our country really also
recognizing the need and, you know, coming up with their own models that work for, you know, to meet the needs of
their department as well.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah. So, I heard two things that you said — well you, many things that you said —
but two things stand out to me. And one is that the way that you and the leaders who are bringing forth this new
profession, the way you're approaching it is, it's brilliant. There are two things that I hear. One, you're making
sure that you're getting buy in and support from the entire health care team, right? And that's critical. So,
radiation therapists and radiology administrators and physicists and a hospital administration, radiation
oncologists, right? It takes support from the top and buy-in from all of those professionals. And so, you've done it
that way, but another brilliant thing that's happening is to convince those outside of, let's say, our traditional
professionals and colleagues, is to have evidence, right? Evidence-based research that shows: Hey, I mean, I love
this, you know, we're going to reduce burnout for radiation oncologists, they have a shortage like we have a
shortage, right? That, you know, you are improving efficiencies, I mean, you're proving the worth and the value of
the APRT simultaneously with developing the profession. And I think that that's a brilliant strategy.
Ray Arambula: Yeah. And it also sounds like there's leverage being done around new technologies and
protocols and almost like you all are acting as the bridge for that between the rest of the health care team as
well. So, very impressive.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned the work and we've talked about the APRT, the advanced
practice radiation therapy working group, multiple times.
But can you tell us more about that group and also how the group is collaborating with the ASRT?
Samantha Skubish: Yeah, absolutely. So the APRT working group is a grassroots group of individuals
that are, you know, across the multidisciplinary spectrum: radiation therapists, advanced practice radiation
therapists radiation oncologists, physicists, nurses administrators, leaders, executive leadership, physician
leadership and then, of course, our professional bodies as well the ASRT, the ARRT [American Registry of Radiologic
Technologists], and now we're very excited to have ASTRO [American Society for Radiation Oncology] at the table as
well.
And so, I would say that the APRT working group is really sort of where, you know, it's the boots on the ground. It's
the people doing the work. It's the people doing the research. It's the therapists and the physicians and the
leadership within institutions that are saying “We want this. We need this. This is how we're going to make it
happen.” And it just keeps us connected. It keeps us all sort of collectively working towards the same goal. And
it's just been fantastic to have the ASRT support. So thank you again for everything that you guys have done because
it's just meant so much to how far we've been able to get down that road —asrt.org/APRT.
Melissa Pergola: That's right. asrt.org/APRT.
Samantha Skubish: You know, just sort of came out of a need that was discussed in the working group
of: we really need a landing page of information where people can go to understand what is a framework for advanced
practice radiation therapy look like in the U.S. You know, where are we at in the work that's being done? Can I hire
one tomorrow? You know, what's the current state of affairs? And so, that's just been a great hallmark and, I think,
tangible outcome of the working group, as well, to have that landing page.
Melissa Pergola: Well, thank you so much, Sam. I think, you know, you've done an amazing job
explaining sort of the history, how we got here, why it's important.
And again, I can't thank you enough for everything that you're doing.
Ray Arambula: Thank you.
Samantha Skubish: Thank you for having me and, and it's just, it's been a pleasure to be here and
also a pleasure to work with you and the ASRT and just thanks for the spotlight to talk about APRT because it is so
important and I look forward to continuing to, you know, do this great work with you all. So, thank you.
Ray Arambula: Yes, thank you very much, Sam. And now we're going to transition into a game. We know
how much Melissa loves games. But I figured with Melissa and Sam, I'm thoroughly impressed just how all, how you all
introduce and lead change and new ideas. So, because we have two innovators, we are going to play a game called
Innovation Charades.
Melissa Pergola: Is that, you're going to butter us up first because you know I don't like the
games?
Ray Arambula: You’ll do fine.
Melissa Pergola: It's not going to make it. OK.
Ray Arambula: It's not a hard one. So, here's how it's going to work. I'm going to give you some
abstract and descriptive hints about an innovation, a technology or a concept. So, Samantha and Melissa, you'll have
to guess what that innovation is.
Melissa Pergola: OK.
Ray Arambula: OK. It began with a mustard gas. And became a lifeline.
Melissa Pergola: Became a lifeline?
Ray Arambula: Drugs that attack cancer cells, though they take a toll.
Samantha Skubish: Chemotherapy.
Ray Arambula: There you go. OK, Melissa, you are trailing.
Melissa Pergola: Zero!
Ray Arambula: It rolls forward, but never asks why.
Melissa Pergola: What?
Ray Arambula: Without it, carts, cars and carriages would be just ideas.
Melissa Pergola: Wheels.
Samantha Skubish: Wheel?
Ray Arambula: Yes.
Melissa Pergola: Ah!
Ray Arambula: Threw you through a loop, huh?
Melissa Pergola: That was good!
Samantha Skubish: Thank you guys. This was so much fun. Thank you for having me.
Ray Arambula: Yeah, absolutely
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Melissa Pergola: Hey Ray.
Ray Arambula: Hey.
Melissa Pergola: Guess what time it is?
Ray Arambula: We see you.
Melissa Pergola: We see, I see you.
Ray Arambula: I see you.
Melissa Pergola: So, this is our We See You segment now, right?
Ray Arambula: Yes, it is. Yes. And we have a video from ASRT member Diego Diaz.
Melissa Pergola: All right. Cool.
Ray Arambula: Are you ready?
Melissa Pergola: I'm ready.
Ray Arambula: OK.
Diego Diaz: Hey, everybody. Thank you for having me on the podcast.
My name is Diego and I'm thrilled to be here on this episode. I'm a radiologic technologist and a TikTok creator.
I've also been featured on a Newsweek article and recognized by the program that I graduated from for my efforts to
highlight the importance of our profession. That being said, Melissa, here's my question to you.
Do you see potential for ASRT to collaborate with influencers like myself to promote and bring awareness to the
field? I'm looking forward to hearing your response and thank you for having me guys.
Melissa Pergola: Hey, Diego, that's a great question. Yeah. So the short answer is yes. On this
episode, we actually spoke with Sam Skubish, and we did some videos featuring Sam and others in the APRT working
group. So we've collaborated with them. We also have collaborated with influencers in connection with our Be Seen
campaign. For instance, Chaundria Singleton and Andrea Flores, right? They did sort of a day-in-the-life videos
about our profession, which I think are extremely important, right?
Cause we want people to know the amazing work that we do and all people, whether it's the general public, other
health care professionals, prospective students. So we are doing several things with influencers. So, like I said,
the short answer is yes, absolutely.
Ray Arambula: Yeah. And Diego, thank you for your question. I did watch some of his TikTok videos.
Thank you for sharing your journey and insights to the profession. My favorite of his videos is DJ MRI. You should
check that one out.
Melissa Pergola: Yes.
Ray Arambula: But yes, I would say, yeah, we're very much in the business of promoting the
profession. And all the, with the work you all do. For example, we featured Kristen and Rachel on social media, and
they both kind of explained how they got into the profession and then why they're, they chose that career path and
what appealed to them.
We've also worked with other member influencers on social media where we've launched the Be Seen campaign. So we got
a lot of reactions after AGHOD [ASRT Annual Governance and House of Delegates Meeting] featuring our members, like
talking about the campaign and what it meant to them to be seen. And then we also featured our SLDP participants as
well.
Melissa Pergola: Student to Leadership Development Program.
Ray Arambula: Yes. Sorry. And their stories on becoming part of the program and what how they were
encouraged and encouraging others to do the same.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah. Yeah. We love to interact with our members on social media, and we would love
for you to be able to see some of the videos that we talked about, and they're all on our YouTube channel.
Ray Arambula: Yes.
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Melissa Pergola: Ray, what a great interview.
Ray Arambula: Really good. Yeah. I learned a lot. That was a lot of insight. Thank you, Sam, for
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transformation that's taking place and just how it's elevating patient care as a whole.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah.
Ray Arambula: Very exciting.
Melissa Pergola: Yes, and it is so important for us to be hand in hand with our members in the
profession in working towards creating these advanced pathways for our professionals. So so exciting.
Ray Arambula: Yes. A win-win for everyone.
Melissa Pergola: Yes. Yes. So, thank you everyone for listening. We can't wait to see you next time.
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Ray Arambula: And also email us at [email protected].
We'd love to hear your stories. Let us know how you discovered the medical imaging and radiation therapy profession.
Melissa Pergola: Yeah. Yeah. And to all our medical imaging and radiation therapy professionals, be
seen.
Ray Arambula: And stay rad.